[MaryAlice]

OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:27 pm

Was not 100% sure, if I should post this thread here, but I thought it fit the best here. If I am wrong, if you guys want to move it, let me know, or if you can, or????

In meantime few details, as of which most of you already know:

My grandpa flew on teh Mary Alice, and was a Top Turret, and he recently passed away, Jan. 19th of this year. I was very close with my Grandpa, and loved him tremendously, and I am building this model in honor of him. As I go on with this thread, if any of you want to share something, please feel free to....whether it is info on teh Mary Alice, or your own plane, your Grandpa's plane, or you got a tattoo of someting in remembrance of someone in teh War, or ANYTHING that pertains to this website/WWII, feel free to post away.....there is NO hijacking in this thread, ALL are open to talk about anything here, and if that means, you want to share a story about something, fire away Brother, it is welcome in this thread.

In teh mean time, I will start out with some pictures of my model in teh box, and I will document as I go along. Also, as I am progressing, if someone see's a MISTAKE, LET ME KNOW!!! You can NOT hurt my feelings, I am thick skinned, and i want this model as close to teh real thing as possible...so if i make a mistake, which I am sure to do, let me know!!

These first pics did not come out so well, because my GOOD digital camera is at my shop, so I had to take these 2 pics with my old digital camera, and came out so so.

So, here goes:







Now, i know, nothing to exciting just yet (for you guys anyways, as for me, I was jumping up and down from minute I got it, until the minute I went to local store, and they had no paint or glue....that put a damper on things REAL quick!!!)

So, today, my search will be for paint, FS 34084 Olive Drab (ANA 613), and FS 36173 Neutral Grey (AF 41) and some modeling cement. Wish me luck guys....

[Phoenix]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by Phoenix on Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:56 pm

Mary A,

Somewhere in the depths of this forum there is a ton of stuff on building this particular kit, I shall leave it to Ed and Professor Paul to point you in the right direction, very much their pidgeon but all I know for sure is the kit is not the most accurate and some upgrade kits might do the trick, resin guns, undercarriage, engine nacelle that type of thing, Hannants here in the UK is very good for that stuff, their website aint bad either Whatever, good luck with the project

Tally ho

Dale

[swinny]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by swinny on Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:17 pm

Hi Mary A

This is what I made of it, its a 1:72 from Academy
Good luck , I am going to follow your project for sure

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:09 pm

Phoenix, thanks. Yes, i was already informed that the tail gun is probaly wrong (stinger, and should be Cheyenne) and that is EXACLTLY why I started this thread, to get feedback from everyone, and correct me when I screw up!!!


Swinny, NICE looking plane! I like..ALOT...if mine can come out anywhere NEAR that nice, i will be happy!


OK, first question:

Was told to use FS 34084, Olive Drab...well,went to local Hobby Shop, and they did not have FS 34084...HOWEVER, they DID have FS 34087 Olive Drab. Do you think there was a slight mix up with the numbers?


Now, they did not have FS 36173 Neutral grey either, or anything even close to it. So, of course I am gonna keep checking, but does anyone have a place online I can check for the paint?

Thanks all!

[Paul Bellamy]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by Paul Bellamy on Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:56 am

There is not a mix-up with numbers, AAF Olive Drab for aircraft was a different shade to US Army Olive Drab used for vehicles.
However there is an additional FS number allocated that many suppliers use as a substitute standard: FS 34088.

Using the wartime ANA 613 specification number gives a variety of model paint numbers:

XtraColor: 112 Olive Drab ANA 613
Testors Model Master Enamel: 2050 Olive Drab ANA 613
Testors Model Master Acrylic: 4842 Olive Drab ANA 613
Pactra: 5906 Olive Drab ANA 613
Polly Scale: 505080 Olive Drab ANA 613

The Humbrol, Tamiya and Revell "olive drab" paints are the US Army FS 34087 shade.

The underside AF 41 Neutral Grey appears to have been given an approximate ANA number, ANA 43.
Currently, only White Ensign paints produce this exact shade, color AC US 13.

All the best,
Paul

[EDanaII]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by EDanaII on Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:46 am

OK, quick post, because it's tired and I'm getting late.

First, here's the links to the two other "build" threads on the Forum:
The Return of the Hard Seventeen.
B17G-35-VE 42-97869 Hula Girl / Maid to Order.

These two builds are different from yours since they are both Aluminum finished, but you may still find them useful.

I also found this forum useful: ARC Air Forums.

Now, some quick tips: you'll need patients (lots of patients) but you probably already new that. You won't have the problem I had with metalizer since you're doing an olive drab plane, but my first B-17 was the Memphis Belle, and I, personally found it difficult to paint the camouflage properly. For precision work, I used a special masking tape for models and a rubberized mask as well. The masking tape allowed for straight line work, like the tail, the rubberized mask allowed me to mask and protect tiny details, such as window frames. Get yourself a magnifier of some sort, preferably one you can wear, and don't forget tools like tweezers, clamps, exacto-knife, sandpaper, etc...

I pained the interiors of my models, but it's not really 100% necessary as much of the detail his hidden when the model is put together. I painted the tail stripe but used decals for the triangle, squadron codes and serial numbers. For the details unique to my plane, I order custom decal paper that allowed me to create what I need on the computer and then print them off.

Enough for now. Gotta get my sorry butte to bed.

Niterz...

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:20 pm

There is not a mix-up with numbers, AAF Olive Drab for aircraft was a different shade to US Army Olive Drab used for vehicles.
However there is an additional FS number allocated that many suppliers use as a substitute standard: FS 34088.

Using the wartime ANA 613 specification number gives a variety of model paint numbers:

XtraColor: 112 Olive Drab ANA 613
Testors Model Master Enamel: 2050 Olive Drab ANA 613
Testors Model Master Acrylic: 4842 Olive Drab ANA 613
Pactra: 5906 Olive Drab ANA 613
Polly Scale: 505080 Olive Drab ANA 613

The Humbrol, Tamiya and Revell "olive drab" paints are the US Army FS 34087 shade.

The underside AF 41 Neutral Grey appears to have been given an approximate ANA number, ANA 43.
Currently, only White Ensign paints produce this exact shade, color AC US 13.

All the best,
Paul

So, what you are saying is that the 34087 is the US Army shade, and NOT the CORRECT color for Mary Alice, right? And to hit it spot on, I need to find teh 34084. Then so be it, 34084 I shall seek out. Thanks Paul!!!

And then , for my neutral grey, I need to seek out White Ensign paints, color AC US 13. Then that is my mission!

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:22 pm

OK, quick post, because it's tired and I'm getting late.

First, here's the links to the two other "build" threads on the Forum:
The Return of the Hard Seventeen.
B17G-35-VE 42-97869 Hula Girl / Maid to Order.

These two builds are different from yours since they are both Aluminum finished, but you may still find them useful.

I also found this forum useful: ARC Air Forums.

Now, some quick tips: you'll need patients (lots of patients) but you probably already new that. You won't have the problem I had with metalizer since you're doing an olive drab plane, but my first B-17 was the Memphis Belle, and I, personally found it difficult to paint the camouflage properly. For precision work, I used a special masking tape for models and a rubberized mask as well. The masking tape allowed for straight line work, like the tail, the rubberized mask allowed me to mask and protect tiny details, such as window frames. Get yourself a magnifier of some sort, preferably one you can wear, and don't forget tools like tweezers, clamps, exacto-knife, sandpaper, etc...

I pained the interiors of my models, but it's not really 100% necessary as much of the detail his hidden when the model is put together. I painted the tail stripe but used decals for the triangle, squadron codes and serial numbers. For the details unique to my plane, I order custom decal paper that allowed me to create what I need on the computer and then print them off.

Enough for now. Gotta get my sorry butte to bed.

Niterz...

COOL!! Thanks for teh tips!! I am taking my time, and doing all of my research before I even crack open teh plastic. Gonna have all paint and supplies in hand, before I do that. Again, I want this looking GOOD and done right!

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:29 pm

OK guys, another question:

I was going through the instruction manual last night, and came across ALOT of colors that were used on the interior..but NO codes. Colors I found in the manual were as follows:
Zinc Chromate
Black
Silver
Grey
Gun Metal
Olive Drab
Brown
Dark Green
Light Grey
Flat Aluminum
Chromate green
White
Red
Yellow
Dull Silver
Aluminum
Brass

As you can see, ALOT of colors. Now, there were no paint codes, so am i to ASSUME that I can use basically these colors, and just go by name?
Now, reason I ask that is, OBVIOUSLY there are at least 2 "Olive Drabs" 34084, and 34087..and OBVIOUSLY they have to be 2 different shades. So, is there a code to the paints above that I need to use, OR??????

Since Paul has told me that 34084 is the correct Olive Drab for outside, so I am ASSUMING that I need to use teh same one for the inside...correct?

Again guys, please have some patience with me..trying to learn, and respect my Grandpa best that I can. My Grandpa was a deatil fanatic, and I KNOW if he was doing this plane, or if I was giving it to him, I would want it at nothing but the finest work! And, i plan on doing just that!!

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:32 pm

OK, quick post, because it's tired and I'm getting late.

First, here's the links to the two other "build" threads on the Forum:
The Return of the Hard Seventeen.
B17G-35-VE 42-97869 Hula Girl / Maid to Order.

These two builds are different from yours since they are both Aluminum finished, but you may still find them useful.

I also found this forum useful: ARC Air Forums.

Now, some quick tips: you'll need patients (lots of patients) but you probably already new that. You won't have the problem I had with metalizer since you're doing an olive drab plane, but my first B-17 was the Memphis Belle, and I, personally found it difficult to paint the camouflage properly. For precision work, I used a special masking tape for models and a rubberized mask as well. The masking tape allowed for straight line work, like the tail, the rubberized mask allowed me to mask and protect tiny details, such as window frames. Get yourself a magnifier of some sort, preferably one you can wear, and don't forget tools like tweezers, clamps, exacto-knife, sandpaper, etc...

I pained the interiors of my models, but it's not really 100% necessary as much of the detail his hidden when the model is put together. I painted the tail stripe but used decals for the triangle, squadron codes and serial numbers. For the details unique to my plane, I order custom decal paper that allowed me to create what I need on the computer and then print them off.

Enough for now. Gotta get my sorry butte to bed.

Niterz...

Oh, also wanted top say that teh first link you provided, is where I got my model from. I followd that link you provided in that thread and boght from there. GOOD THREAD!!!!

[Phoenix]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by Phoenix on Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:43 pm

Mary A,

If you ever get to read the book 'Flying Fortress - Claims to Fame' chapter somethingorother on the 'Mary Alice' the narrative from one crew member describes her as "a sorry old state patched up in a mixture of olive and natural metal panels everywhere" (battle damage repair) so if you don't get the right shade of paint, you got some poetic license

Tally Ho

Dale

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:10 pm

Mary A,

If you ever get to read the book 'Flying Fortress - Claims to Fame' chapter somethingorother on the 'Mary Alice' the narrative from one crew member describes her as "a sorry old state patched up in a mixture of olive and natural metal panels everywhere" (battle damage repair) so if you don't get the right shade of paint, you got some poetic license

Tally Ho

Dale

Lmao!! Well, knowing my Grandpa, I doubt he said that, s we can eliminate him as a possible crew member that said that! My Grandpa was not one for putting stuff down, even if in joking manner like above. HOWEVER, I also did not know my Grandpa when we was that age either, sooooooooo, who knows...might have been him! hahahaha!!

I went to another hobby shop this morning, and they too, did not have 34084...had teh 34087 Olive Drab though. Holding off until I find right color.

Also, Phoenix...gonna keep eye's peeled for that book 'Flying Fortress-claims to fame"..thanks again!

[EDanaII]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by EDanaII on Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:43 pm

Zinc Chromate
Black
Silver
Grey
Gun Metal
Olive Drab
Brown
Dark Green
Light Grey
Flat Aluminum
Chromate green
White
Red
Yellow
Dull Silver
Aluminum
Brass

Zinc Chromate and Chromate Green are the same colors. Otherwise, the colors stated are how they should appear rather than an exact color. For example, Silver and Aluminum look much alike and, in fact, I used an "aircraft silver" to paint my aluminum plane, so things like "dull silver" distinguish the appearance of the color. Many of the colors listed are only needed for the interior, so it's a matter of how much detail you want to place in the interior.

But Paul knows better about these things, so best to listen to him.

Ed.

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:29 pm

Zinc Chromate
Black
Silver
Grey
Gun Metal
Olive Drab
Brown
Dark Green
Light Grey
Flat Aluminum
Chromate green
White
Red
Yellow
Dull Silver
Aluminum
Brass

Zinc Chromate and Chromate Green are the same colors. Otherwise, the colors stated are how they should appear rather than an exact color. For example, Silver and Aluminum look much alike and, in fact, I used an "aircraft silver" to paint my aluminum plane, so things like "dull silver" distinguish the appearance of the color. Many of the colors listed are only needed for the interior, so it's a matter of how much detail you want to place in the interior.

But Paul knows better about these things, so best to listen to him.

Ed.

Hmm, ok, so once more...Zinc Chromate, and Chromate Green are teh same? No wonder at hobby store i could not find ANYTHING called Zinc Chromate!! hahaha I found a chromate green, but version I found was more of a "grass" colored green, so did not buy that one. Or is it right? And thanks for explanation on colors...I needed that. I kind of figured as much...like teh red listed is to paint the fire extinguisher, so i was like, I am sure it is just like any other fire extinguisher, but wanted ot make sure.
Thanks again.

[Paul Bellamy]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by Paul Bellamy on Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:32 pm

Ok, here we go.......
Bear in mind I'm referring to the original Monogram instruction booklet here, the current one may vary.

In the main, the colours shown on the instructions are complete fantasy. I'll go through each section in the booklet and say what colour things should be as accurately as I can, whilt trying to keep the number of different paints to a minimum.

Zinc Chromate: Ignore this, it's very rarely used, and for the small areas needed can be mixed from interior green and yellow.
Black: Get a good MATT black paint.
Silver: Again, get a good silver, you'll be using it as a base for other colours too.
Grey: Use the underside grey, you'll also be using this to mix with other colours later.
Gun Metal: A standard paint colour, make sure you mix it well or it will dry in an unpleasant way.
Olive Drab: ANA 613. If all else fails you can mix this shade using US Army OD, and a couple of other colours. I'll have to look the rations up.
Brown: A matt mid-brown will be fine.
Dark Green: This will be used for parts of the interior, hence Interior Green. It's a mid-dark matt bottle green.
Light Grey: Underside grey plus a drop of white.
Flat Aluminum: Silver plus a drop of white.
Chromate green: Interior green plus a drop of white.
White: MATT white.
Red: Signal Red, matt if you can get it.
Yellow: MATT yellow.
Dull Silver: Silver with a drop of black
Aluminum: See Flat Aluminium above.
Brass:

First you have to decide on your interior colours.
The nose, flight deck and radio room compartments were all Interior Green.
The bomb bay, waist section and catwalk under the flight deck could be Interior Green, bare metal (silver) or a combination of the two.
I'd recommend Interior Green for the catwalk, and bare metal for the waist/tail section. You can pick out the vertical ribs in Interior Green in the waist/tail section, ignore the bomb bay as it will be invisible unless you cut open the doors.

1: Tailwheel Assy.
Bulkhead (#20) and wheel strut (#41-41) Interior Green or silver.
Wheel hub, Olive Drab. Use the same ANA 613 OD as for the outside.
Tyre: Black with a touch of white mixed in.

2: Ball turret assy. Ignore this step until much later.

3: Radio Room assembly.
Floor and tabletop are plywood. Use Brown, when dry can be "grained" with brown+white mix if required.
Ball turret support frame (#210) Interior Green, cut off and discard the "brass shells" bit. Oxygen bottle (#202) is Yellow.
Seat #56, cut off the "headrest" and file smooth. Use the back cushion as a guide, you need an even gap around the edge.
The seat cushion is Olive Drab, the back cushion is Yellow. Belts should be painted off-white (White + a tiny amount of brown)
Fwd bulkhead (#18): Interior Green, radio boxes on right of door Aluminium with Interior Green supports. Fire extinguisher Red with Black nozzle and hose. Ignore the flasks and cup dispenser alongside, just paint Interior Green.
Aft bulkhead (#19):
Front wall Interior Green, Olive Drab hand cranks. All radio boxes Black with grey details (dataplates, handles, etc.) Include the ones lower right that are labelled as flat aluminium in the booklet.
Back wall silver with Interior Green frames (ignore the "zinc chromate" panel, paint this silver). The two items of radio gear are black.

I'll continue this later. It might be simpler if I scan the booklet in and amend the directions.

All the best,
Paul

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:42 pm

Ok, here we go.......
Bear in mind I'm referring to the original Monogram instruction booklet here, the current one may vary.

In the main, the colours shown on the instructions are complete fantasy. I'll go through each section in the booklet and say what colour things should be as accurately as I can, whilt trying to keep the number of different paints to a minimum.

Zinc Chromate: Ignore this, it's very rarely used, and for the small areas needed can be mixed from interior green and yellow.
Black: Get a good MATT black paint.
Silver: Again, get a good silver, you'll be using it as a base for other colours too.
Grey: Use the underside grey, you'll also be using this to mix with other colours later.
Gun Metal: A standard paint colour, make sure you mix it well or it will dry in an unpleasant way.
Olive Drab: ANA 613. If all else fails you can mix this shade using US Army OD, and a couple of other colours. I'll have to look the rations up.
Brown: A matt mid-brown will be fine.
Dark Green: This will be used for parts of the interior, hence Interior Green. It's a mid-dark matt bottle green.
Light Grey: Underside grey plus a drop of white.
Flat Aluminum: Silver plus a drop of white.
Chromate green: Interior green plus a drop of white.
White: MATT white.
Red: Signal Red, matt if you can get it.
Yellow: MATT yellow.
Dull Silver: Silver with a drop of black
Aluminum: See Flat Aluminium above.
Brass:

First you have to decide on your interior colours.
The nose, flight deck and radio room compartments were all Interior Green.
The bomb bay, waist section and catwalk under the flight deck could be Interior Green, bare metal (silver) or a combination of the two.
I'd recommend Interior Green for the catwalk, and bare metal for the waist/tail section. You can pick out the vertical ribs in Interior Green in the waist/tail section, ignore the bomb bay as it will be invisible unless you cut open the doors.

1: Tailwheel Assy.
Bulkhead (#20) and wheel strut (#41-41) Interior Green or silver.
Wheel hub, Olive Drab. Use the same ANA 613 OD as for the outside.
Tyre: Black with a touch of white mixed in.

2: Ball turret assy. Ignore this step until much later.

3: Radio Room assembly.
Floor and tabletop are plywood. Use Brown, when dry can be "grained" with brown+white mix if required.
Ball turret support frame (#210) Interior Green, cut off and discard the "brass shells" bit. Oxygen bottle (#202) is Yellow.
Seat #56, cut off the "headrest" and file smooth. Use the back cushion as a guide, you need an even gap around the edge.
The seat cushion is Olive Drab, the back cushion is Yellow. Belts should be painted off-white (White + a tiny amount of brown)
Fwd bulkhead (#18): Interior Green, radio boxes on right of door Aluminium with Interior Green supports. Fire extinguisher Red with Black nozzle and hose. Ignore the flasks and cup dispenser alongside, just paint Interior Green.
Aft bulkhead (#19):
Front wall Interior Green, Olive Drab hand cranks. All radio boxes Black with grey details (dataplates, handles, etc.) Include the ones lower right that are labelled as flat aluminium in the booklet.
Back wall silver with Interior Green frames (ignore the "zinc chromate" panel, paint this silver). The two items of radio gear are black.

I'll continue this later. It might be simpler if I scan the booklet in and amend the directions.

All the best,
Paul

UH, Paul...how much do I owe you? WOW!! THAT is going into some detail for me, SUPER THANKS!! Boy, the pressure is on ME now...to turn out one heck of a super duper model, so i can live up to your expectations!! I sure hope so!

I just finished cutting out teh pieces listed above, and need to try and locate some more colors before I can begin painting/gluing/assembling, etc..

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:56 pm

OK guys, was able to basically locate all of the colors above, except a couple, but had a question...

I found majority of them in Enamel,but some in Acrylic....can I mix the two (meaning, can I use 2 different types of paint on teh plane, and STILL look right)?

[Jackie (Sharp) Sheflin]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by Jackie (Sharp) Sheflin on Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:10 am

Have you guys seen this picture before?

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Air_Power/B-17_29/AP28G4.htm



Jackie

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:03 pm

Have you guys seen this picture before?

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Air_Power/B-17_29/AP28G4.htm



Jackie

Yes Maam, sure have. Thank you though.

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:52 pm

OK guys....can I mix acrylic and enamel paints? Not together, but can I paint the same plane with each paint? Or will they have a reaction to one another?

Also, I CAN NOT FIND THE UNDERSIDE GREY!!!!!!!!!!! Paul, don't get frustrated with me , but do you ahve any suggesstions on what I can do? I have been to 4 Hobby Stores locally, AND went on Testors website, and could not find any listing for that color???? Don't mean to be a pain, but I can't find it. I have located 95% of the other colors (have not located the brown, matt yellow, or a silver (believe it or not, each store I have been to, they have been out of silver!)
Good thing is, I know I can locate those, at this one store, as they are just out, and I talked with guy, and should be getting some more paint in this week.

Now, on that grey....no luck and struck out there.

[Paul Bellamy]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by Paul Bellamy on Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:41 pm

Putting "USAAF Neutral Grey 43" through the Paint Conversion Chart I found at http://www.paint4models.com/paintchart/ ... 0101.html# gives the following alternatives:

White Ensign: AC US 13, USAAF Neutral Grey 43
Polly Scale: 505382, US Gunship Grey
Quartermaster: 43, Neutral Grey
Revell: 32174, Gunship Grey
Humbrol: 123, Extra Dark Sea Grey
US: ANA 603, Sea Grey
Pactra: 5908, FAA Extra Dark Sea Grey
Testors: 1723, Gunship Grey
xtraColor: 5, RAF Extra Dark Sea Grey and 130, Gunship Grey

Hope that helps,
Paul

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:49 pm

Putting "USAAF Neutral Grey 43" through the Paint Conversion Chart I found at http://www.paint4models.com/paintchart/ ... 0101.html# gives the following alternatives:

White Ensign: AC US 13, USAAF Neutral Grey 43
Polly Scale: 505382, US Gunship Grey
Quartermaster: 43, Neutral Grey
Revell: 32174, Gunship Grey
Humbrol: 123, Extra Dark Sea Grey
US: ANA 603, Sea Grey
Pactra: 5908, FAA Extra Dark Sea Grey
Testors: 1723, Gunship Grey
xtraColor: 5, RAF Extra Dark Sea Grey and 130, Gunship Grey

Hope that helps,
Paul

I knew you got paid teh big $$$ for a reason! Haha! Some of those other names ring a bell, as I remember seeing some of them...just did not know that I could use them. Again, this is my first project that I am trying to match something to something else so closely. Usually, grab a color that looks good and away I go..so, trying to match a paint is something new to me.

Thanks again Paul.

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:28 pm

OK guys...update (pics later) I got some paint done night before last night (some black), and last night some Chromate Green. So far so good!! Taking my time and doing it right....so, to me anyways, is turning out very nice. Have a LOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGGG way to go, but once completed, should be worth it!

Basically I am on steps 1-6 and doing some paint work on those steps before proceding any further....again, will post up some pics tonight from home computer.

[MaryAlice]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by MaryAlice on Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:30 am

OK guys update...but with a question...

I am starting to get some of the Olive Drab 613 down on the wings of teh plane, and have to be honest, it looks NOTHING like the pictures I have seen in color of teh Mary Alice. Is the Mary Alice in teh IWM a different shade? How I see it is, the Mary Alice in teh IWM is a "faded" looking light olive drab, and when I put the Olive Drab 613 on, it APPEARS to be a DARK grey/green, and really again, to my eye's does not look close.

So, if you guys were in my shoes, what would YOU do?

My wife says I should paint it the color that it calls for, the Olive Drab 613, but even she says it does not look teh same...or even close for that matter. So, again, is the Mary Alice in teh IWM a different shade???

Thanks guys...

[Paul Bellamy]

Re: OK guys, build thread, model of Mary Alice B-17G

by Paul Bellamy on Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:48 pm

You're right Derrick,

The paint on the IWM "Mary Alice" has faded badly since I first got to climb inside her in the mid-1980s, and she's usually got a coating of dust which makes it look even lighter.
Somewhere on the forum there's a photo of her outdoors, alongside Sally B which is also painted Olive Drab but a lot more frequently, and the difference between them is astonishing.